Monday, April 20, 2009

A city on a hill has to be different


"Today the eyes of all people are truly upon us — and our governments, in every branch, at every level, national, state and local, must be as a city upon a hill -- constructed and inhabited by men aware of their great trust and their great responsibilities."
-- JOHN F. KENNEDY, 1961

Americans have been talking about the city on the hill for nearly 400 years, but the first recorded use of the term came in the Sermon on the Mount. As Christ saw it, and as others have seen it since then, living in a city on a hill brought with it responsibility. Things that happened in such a city could not be hidden, nor should they.

That's why the debate over whether President Obama should have released the Bush administration's "torture" memos is important. Republicans are arguing that Obama has made us less safe as a nation by telling the world what procedures we used to get information, while many Democrats want to prosecute the people who argued in favor of torture.

As expected, Rush Limbaugh weighed in Friday, and he thought he had a great point to make when he said the fact that North Vietnamese torturers had "broken" POW John McCain proved that torture works.

Of course, in a city on a hill that isn't the point at all.

Many presidents have referred to America as the "last best hope of mankind," a phrase most often credited to Ronald Reagan. But it was an earlier president who made the point first.

"Fellow-citizens, we cannot escape history. We of this Congress and this administration, will be remembered in spite of ourselves. No personal significance, or insignificance, can spare one or another of us. ... We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth."

It was Abraham Lincoln who spoke those words to Congress in December 1862, and one point he was making was that to be an American meant something. It meant standing up for freedom and for the rights of human beings.

Many of us see those rights in different ways. To some it means the opportunity to make as much money as possible, while to others the right to own weapons and protect themselves is paramount. But one right that goes all the way back to the Magna Carta -- nearly 800 years ago -- is the right against self-incrimination.

That's where Limbaugh and other conservatives miss the point. The question isn't whether torture is effective. it's whether torture is something Americans should be doing. It's part of that age-old question about whether the end justifies the means.

Certainly some would say yes, while others would say there are no ends and it's all about the means.

I tend to come down on that side.

I tend to believe it's how we live our lives that matters most.

As for those who say torture is the only way to protect America from terrorism, I'm reminded of the famous quote from the Vietnam War.

"We had to destroy the village in order to save it."

I don't believe we can save America by destroying what it means to be American.

allvoices

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

I don't see myself as a conservative or a liberal.

I voted Democratic in the last five elections, and I disagree with you.

Sometimes the stakes are too high. Sometimes, just as in The Dark Knight, we have to burn down the forest to stop a terrorist.

Sometimes in order to uphold the whole of the law, we have to break a small part.

And you might consider that doctors will saw off a leg to save a life.

People routinely shoot horses rather than see them suffer.

And it's my opinion that if torturing a few dirtbags saves American lives -- particularly innocent American lives -- then I say waterboard them.

Hell, hook them up to the electrical grid and see how that loosens their tongues.

Andrew in Pacoima

Anonymous said...

Interesting.

I just switched on your blog, having just gotten in the house after dropping my brother off at LAX.

WE had a similar discussion and I would have tended to side with you, Mike, two hours ago, but my brother brought up some good points -- and the biggest involves Lincoln.

It seems that old Honest Abe was not above violating just about any law in order to save the Union. he suspended Hapeas corpus, contravened the Supreme Court, tried to imprison the Chief Justice -- all actions he defended with an "end-justifies-the-means" excuse.

John Kennedy was no saint, either.

Neither was Franklin Roosevelt or even George Washington.

Sometimes we have to do an unpopular or unsavory act to ensure that liberty is protected.

Those who view the world with rose-colored glasses don't ever understand that there compromises that must be made at times.

Life is not fair and the bullies of this world use that to their advantage.

I don't like torture, but I suppose it's better than letting the crazies run amok and kill people at will.

I don't know if there's a "right" answer.

Too often humans will find themselves in a moral quandary where the best choice is the lesser of two evils. It doesn't negate the evil, but less evil is always better than more evil.
Evelyn

Mike Rappaport said...

Good posts on a difficult question.

I do believe that the lesser of two evils is still evil, but I understand the quandary.

Anonymous said...

I used to be dead-set against torture.

Then Daniel Pearl was murdered by unthinking psychopaths. He was murdered just because he was an American, a journalist, and Jewish.

It was cruel and senseless and I hope that everyone of his killers gets tortured for months before they die.

Daniel was a friend of my older brother and the pain and suffering that those animals gave Daniel's wife, friends and family is still wrecking havoc on their lives.

If our army could've found and saved Daniel by torturing some ruthless murderer, then we should have done it.

If you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

I understand the Quaker non-violent traditions, but I'm no Quaker and nether is our country.

I, too, think that used judiciously -- with proper restraints, torture ought to be an option.

CHARLES T.

Anonymous said...

You know for a guy who claims to be a moderate and allegedly subscribes to be reasonable in all things and concentrate on the the "things that really matter", you spend far too much time, energy, and space mentioning, alluding to, or outright deriding Rush Limbaugh and the other right wing talk show nuts.

It's either that you're an idiot svant who can't ignore those bozos or you're really a right-winger in disguise and by running them down all the tuime, you get their names in print and make people wonder what they're saying -- and go listen to their belches and increase their audience.

Put simply, are you a shill for Limbaugh?

It would seem you are.

After all, for all his pontification, he is nothing more than an "entertainer" of a sort.

He is no expert in politics or economics or social issues -- and he says so during his rants.

Yet, you and some of the left wing goons respond to him as if he's giving marching orders to mindless devotees.

So, either you're a mindless leftist who has no substance for your opinions and must respond with ad hominum attacks, you're a confused moderate who doesn't know he's aiding the very politics he's attacking, or you're a right wing shill pretending to be a Democrat and moderate.

What is it?

You spend far too much gas on Limbaugh for it to be not one of those three choices.

Sharee

Mike Rappaport said...

You spelled "ad hominem" wrong.

Anonymous said...

Poor response, Mike.

You're right. I misspelled ad hominem. Big deal. One letter was off. I have a polemics textbook that spells the word the way i spelled it, but you know better.

I surrender to your superior spelling skills.

But that's the limit of where I honor you.

You essentially avoided answering my very serious question.

Instead, you played games.

I think I understand.

You are a right winger in disguise.

You are a shill.

You listen to Limbaugh and Hannity because you actually like what they have to say.

Otherwise, why would you mention (and promote them) so much?

Instead of being a man and giving a straight answer, you chose to get picky and point out a minor spelling error.

Too bad.

I had much higher expectations for you.


Sharee

Anonymous said...

P.S. Inadvertently, I also "misspelled" savant, but apparently you didn't catch that flaw.

It's time for you to grow up, mister.

Sharee

Mike Rappaport said...

You're right, that was snarky of me.

No, I am not a shill for those shows, and calling Rush just an entertainer at this point is extremely disingenuous.

I just think he's dangerous and I refuse to let things like that go unchallenged.

As for growing up, I'm 59 years old. What you see is what you get.

Anonymous said...

"As for growing up, I'm 59 years old. What you see is what you get."

That's just sad.

So sad.

Sharee

BTW -- I'm not sure what "snarky" means- "Ill-mannered or "Just in poor taste"

Anonymous said...

"I just think he's (Rush Limbaugh) dangerous and I refuse to let things like that go unchallenged."

Amusing insight.

No one cares what Rush thinks except a very small minority of crackpots who don't amount to anything.

I tend to agree: you're making a mountain out of a molehill, and giving people more reason to start listening to him.

You know, this is like sex education in one sense -- if you can create something interesting, people will experiment.

And guess what?

WE don't need any more Limbaugh babies.

Just say no.

;)


Bill H.

Mike Rappaport said...

Yes, Sharee, snarky means ill-mannered, but in a sarcastic way.

Sorry but I'm not going to apologize for the way I feel about torture, and I don't really care what CIA directors say.

Also, your response was kind of snarky too.

Vance said...

Yea where are all the liberals when McCain was having his shoulders broken in Asia?
"WE DONT TORTURE" But its alright when other countries torture our people.."WRIGHT"
These anti Bush liberals make me sick, They are the weakest form of people. America as a country needs to do what it needs to do..Period
Would Mr. Obama be against torture if these terrorists where holding his children? I dought he would much care what was used to get info then, American liberals need to step down off their high horse and get a grip...My thoughts Vance